User talk:Shikisoku

Grammar Assistance

• If anybody finds misspelling or grammatical errors on my posts, please correct them.

Dear Shikisoku,

I notice you are not using long marks (ô, û) for long vowels. You are either leaving them just "o" as in Goshu or using "ou." I glanced through and changed a few, but you would know much better than I whether they are short or long. If you cannot write in long vowels you might be able to copy from here Ô ô Û û or write a hyphen - after the vowel and ask for help.

Also, you make a list of han. However, the han kept on changing, so you should say what period the lists apply to. --Bethetsu 20:50, 26 September 2006 (PDT) ----

Check out 1569. Most of the dates are listed as 1614!!

I just don't know how to type Ô ô Û û. My keyboard don't have the keys.Can you tell me which keys?--Shikisoku 04:48, 27 September 2006 (PDT)

If you aren't interested in copying them and pasting them, you could directly type them using the following: & u circ ; etc...with the "u" becoming an "o" or so one when you need it. All of those letters, however, should be typed together. I space them ôut to show you what they really look like. Nagaeyari 05:40, 27 September 2006 (PDT)

I think my JIS keyboard isn't capable for the letters. I am going to just copy/paste. Thanks you--Shikisoku 05:52, 27 September 2006 (PDT)

I notice you often make the following mistakes in your articles: 1. '(insert person's name) joined Shinsengumi'. You should say 'joined the Shinsengumi.' 2. '(insert person's name) participated (or fought) Ikedaya affair'. You should say 'in the Ikedaya affair' or at battle of blablablah'. Those comes up often, but they're nothing big. Just to let you know. :-) Baian 8:57, 12/15/06 (EST)

Thanks for correcting. My contributions are tagged with "draft" since I am not from English speaking country. So if you find errors, please correct them.--Shikisoku 20:41, 15 December 2006 (PST)

No problem, you're written English is at least as good as my written Japanese, if not better. I ordered the Gakken Shinsengumi book from amazon.co.jp a few days ago, and as soon as I get it, I'm going to start helping you with the Shinsengumi biographies - I'll also help with editing all of them, so don't worry too much about your grammar. I think the Gakken book I ordered is the same Gakken book you have - what do you think of it? --Kitsuno 21:26, 15 December 2006 (PST)

Is it 新選組隊士伝? I use this book as a surce of my contributions. I think Gakken's this series is good.--Shikisoku 21:39, 15 December 2006 (PST)

Yes, that's the book. I also added a category title to this as well, so the category box will start at the top of the page, to make it easier to respond to. --Kitsuno 21:43, 15 December 2006 (PST)

Timeline format

In entries like this:

• 1581/9/11 Siege of Iga
  • Sagara Yoshihira of Higo province surrenders to Shimazu Yoshihisa.

Did the second bullet point happen on the same day, or just the same month? the sub sections are for things that happened on the same day or month, so, for example, if the second thing happened the same month but not the same day, it should be formatted like this:

• 1581/9 Sagara Yoshihira of Higo province surrenders to Shimazu Yoshihisa.
• 1581/9/11 Siege of Iga

If three things happened in the same month, but you only have the day for one of them, it should look like this:

• 1581/9
  • Sagara Yoshihira of Higo province surrenders to Shimazu Yoshihisa.
  • XYZ happened this month.
• 1581/9/11 Siege of Iga

Here are examples of how it should look:

1569

1572

thanks for the assistance with all this!

Link format

Make sure when you create links with names like this: Ôtomo Yoshiaki, you create the link like this: [[Otomo Yoshiaki|Ôtomo Yoshiaki]], because none of the article titles include the "long sound" (Ô), and the first part of the link I just put in goes to the page, the second part is what you see in the article. If you make the link like this: [[Ôtomo Yoshiaki]], it will not link to the correct page.

Thanks!

Han Dates

Thanks for all your work on the provinces. But what is the date for the han? They did change some over time.--Bethetsu 06:00, 28 October 2006 (PDT)

Mainly Edo period. The details of indivisual Han will be on the new links.Satsuma han -> Satsuma han--Shikisoku 06:08, 28 October 2006 (PDT)

Yes, but didn't your source give some information like "Han at the end of the Edo period"? Han changed to tenryô and visa versa. I was thinking of writing somewhere (perhaps on the "Provinces of Japan" page) some explanation of the terms on the page (see the questions in the http://forums.samurai-archives.com/viewtopic.php?t=727). The explanation should give the date that the data reflects, if possible.

Another question, isn't 新座郡 of Musashi Niiza rather than Niikura, or did it change its name?

• I think it's not good idea to put too many informations on one page.

If you want to add the details about indivisual han, it's better to make new links.

As for 新座郡, the name changed several times.I am not sure when 新座 was Niiza. When 新座郡 was admitted to Kita Adachi gun in Meiji, it was Niikura gun.--Shikisoku 04:40, 29 October 2006 (PST)

Bujutsu Task Force

I've created a page where you, msr.Iaidoka, and Rikoseishin can coordinate your efforts on the bujutsu articles: Bujutsu Task Force. I think this will be a more efficient way to coordinate your efforts, since all three of you have been working on them. --Kitsuno 20:51, 19 November 2006 (PST)

Kiyokawa Hachiro

What exactly does "he also received a Menkyo of Hokushin Itto Ryu at Genbukan" mean? Does it mean that he gained a license to teach, or was it just an award or certificate of achievement? --Kitsuno 10:12, 27 November 2006 (PST)

"Generally" the ranks of Bujutsu skills are

• Inka 印可 (You can have your own dojo)
• Menkyo 免許 (You can teach)
• Mokuroku 目録
• Kirigami 切紙

Every Ryu-ha has different names but above 4 ranks are used in most books to explain skills of bujutsu. Details of major Ryu-ha rank systems are http://homepage2.nifty.com/ryomado/Zakyo/ZKsinken/zakyo_sinken02-01.html (<-please copy/paste on your browser)--Shikisoku 16:39, 27 November 2006 (PST)

As long as you have spaces before the link and after the link, it will work automatically - I just fixed that link for you. Should I modify the article to indicate that he gained the right to teach? --Kitsuno 00:24, 28 November 2006 (PST)

I don't know because it is not only page that has a link to Menkyo. How about writing it on Menkyo page?--Shikisoku 01:46, 28 November 2006 (PST)

Cool!--Shikisoku 21:39, 15 December 2006 (PST)

Shinsengumi Task Force

Just created it: Shinsengumi Task Force

Metsuke

Is this information on Metsuke correct? I've gotten most of it from a translation of the Kyuji Shimonroku interview with a Metsuke, but it is mostly just the opinion of one Metsuke. --Kitsuno 01:57, 18 April 2007 (PDT)

I think it's correct. But I am not sure about "Metsuke were generally chosen from the ranks of Tsukaiban..."--Shikisoku 06:02, 19 April 2007 (PDT)

This is an english translation of an interview with Yamaguchi Naoki, former Metsuke, published in the Kyuuji Shimonroku. I don't have the original Japanese:

Interviewer: What sort of person generally became a Metsuke?

Yamaguchi Naoki: The proper order to become a Metsuke was on the whole to be transfered from one of three offices, Tsukaiban, Kachigashira, or Kojuunin-Gashira. Or, as I just said, someone could come from the interior. It would be hard to turn those down. His Highness had tried them out in his own vicinity before they came to us, so...

Interviewer: When you say "from the interior", you mean from the ranks of the Konando and the Kosho?

Yamaguchi Naoki: Yes, I do.

Do you have any sources that talk about Metsuke? This is the only source I have. --Kitsuno 22:06, 19 April 2007 (PDT)

I think I have seen somewhere but I just can't find.--Shikisoku 02:44, 21 April 2007 (PDT)

Dates

Thanks for adding the specific dates for the events I listed under 1606. I am curious, though, where you found these dates, particularly for such relatively obscure events. Do you have a quality chronology source? LordAmeth 02:21, 25 June 2007 (PDT)

Japan Chronik--Shikisoku 02:22, 25 June 2007 (PDT)

Shikisoku, can you list the citation information on the article for the Japan Chronik, so that interested people can use the information to purchase it or find it at a library? --Kitsuno 02:46, 25 June 2007 (PDT)

There are too many. I can scan the pages and upload to SA forum.--Shikisoku 02:50, 25 June 2007 (PDT)

I just mean the basic info - the publisher, date of publication, etc. --Kitsuno 10:51, 25 June 2007 (PDT)

Ichi-nen or gan-nen?

Schikisoku, I notice that on many of your time lines you say "XX一年” instead of　“XX元年”. Is that deliberate?--Bethetsu 21:51, 26 June 2007 (PDT)

Ichinen and Gannen are same. If you prefer Gannnen, you can change them.--Shikisoku 01:52, 27 June 2007 (PDT)