Talk:Sanada Yukimura
Suda Chikamitsu apparently does not exist. See the Talk for Suda Mitsuchika. (Where did Chikamitsu come from anyway?)
The Japanese and Gregorian dates for 1615 do not match, so I revised it using the the Japanese dates. Which are right (5/7 is correct, I know). Is this another one for the Turnbull thread?
Kitsuno, why did you say this incorporates text from the SBD? I did not use SBD when I wrote the original article, and I don't see that Obenjo used it either.--Bethetsu 06:03, 2 October 2007 (PDT)
I used the Suda Chikamitsu reference from your original article. I didn't bother to double check the accuracy of this point as it also appeared in the SBD.
Converting dates is not one of my strongest points, but something smelled fishy about Turnbull's conversion methodology that he stated at the beginning of his book. Therefore, I went back and checked all dates using Japanese sources and put them in the article, next to the Turnbull-given dates. I meant to put this issue here in the talk page but forgot! Thanks for bringing this up, Bethetsu!
Regarding use of SBD text, I didn't use anything directly from it intentionally although there is similar wording about "collapsed onto his campstool" vs "collapsed on a camp stool".--Obenjo Kusanosuke 15:28, 2 October 2007 (PDT)
My article said "Suda Mitsuchika," not "Chikamitsu" (I had a photo of the letter in front of me). You used both names. I don't think that the latter existed, so that is why I edited out the reference to him.
What is Turnbull's conversion method, anyway? Didn't he use a book of tables? If the book was written in 2006 he should also have been able to use the Nengo Calc or something else even if he he does not know how many days are in the Western months or cannot count on his fingers and so cannot use the tables.
I am glad you checked the Japanese dates. I probably would have converted to Japanese dates using his dates, and that would really have been a mess!
But now, I hope Yukimura fans will be happy. --Bethetsu 17:54, 2 October 2007 (PDT)
Turnbull and Dates
Bethetsu- I decided to take today off from work, so what better way to chase the beginnings of a cold a way by uncovering more Turnbullian issues?
Well, here is what he writes about dates, and I am quoting this verbatim from his Osprey Osaka book: "Dates have been converted from the lunar calendar to the Gregorian calendar using Bramsen's Japanese Chronological Tables. As England had not adopted the Gregorian calendar by the early 17th century, the dates appearing on letters of the East India Company have been modified accordingly by adding ten days."
Could it be that he has gone off the dates from Richard Cocks' letters and journal entries? Oh oh. Again, something about his dates struck me as odd and that is why I listed the Japanese dates from Rekishi Gunzo's books next to what Turnbull used. Here's the question: Should we edit the article reconverting the Gregorian dates based on the lunar dates or just leave the Japanese lunar dates and delete what Turnbull used?--Obenjo Kusanosuke 19:56, 2 October 2007 (PDT)