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==[[Ogata Shuntaro]]==
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In this article, it says: ''He was missing during the Battle of Aizu.'' - Is there a story behind this? Does this mean he disappeared during the battle, and was presumed killed?  --[[User:Shogun|Kitsuno]] 21:16, 22 December 2006 (PST)
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Some source says he just ran away from Shinsengumi, some source says it was "Missing in Action". Any way he disappeared after the battle of bonari pass and nobody knows after that.--[[User:Shikisoku|Shikisoku]] 00:36, 25 December 2006 (PST)
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== Shinsengumi Timeline ==
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I have created a seperate page for the [[Shinsengumi Timeline]], and I used a Wikipedia trick to display that article seamlessly inside the [[Shinsengumi]] article.  For anyone curious, I put this in the article:
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<nowiki>{{:Shinsengumi Timeline}}</nowiki>
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That puts the text from another article inside the article you are working on.  If you want to add dates or events to the timeline, you can do it either way, you can edit the [[Shinsengumi Timeline]] directly, or you can edit the sections in the [[Shinsengumi]] article, and the changes will also happen in the [[Shinsengumi Timeline]] article.  --[[User:Shogun|Kitsuno]] 22:30, 22 December 2006 (PST)
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== Kondo Shuhei's father ==
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What is the correct reading for: 谷三治郎 ? 名前の読み方が面倒くさい！ --[[User:Shogun|Kitsuno]] 18:24, 25 December 2006 (PST)
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Kondo Shuhei(Tani Shuhei) was originaly Tani Masatake, 谷三十郎 [[Tani Sanjuro]]'s little brother.--[[User:Shikisoku|Shikisoku]] 04:21, 26 December 2006 (PST)
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== Shinsengumi "Units" ==
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2 questions - how were the units referred to? 番組み or 番隊?  And does the list of captains on the [[Shinsengumi]] page (Captains 組長) indicate which unit they lead?  --[[User:Shogun|Kitsuno]] 15:40, 30 December 2006 (PST)
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"番隊" is correct. However the captains were called "組長".
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''*1番隊組長沖田総司''--[[User:Shikisoku|Shikisoku]] 20:48, 4 January 2007 (PST)
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:Thanks. Are the captains on the shinsengumi page listed next to the units they lead?  --[[User:Shogun|Kitsuno]] 21:56, 4 January 2007 (PST)
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Basically Yes. It was changed sometimes though.--[[User:Shikisoku|Shikisoku]] 00:38, 5 January 2007 (PST)
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==[[Ishii Yujiro]]==
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:I'm going to reformat the list of captains on the [[Shinsengumi]] page when I get a chance, so I'll make a note when I get to it, so you can tell me if it works or not.  --[[User:Shogun|Kitsuno]] 19:08, 7 January 2007 (PST)
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Ishii Yujirou's father is listed as 石井文弥 - How do you read his name? "Aya", "Bun'ya", "Fumiya"?
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::How does the reformatted list of captains look? I went with 番組 instead of 番隊 because that was how it was listed in the shinsengumi tettei guide, is that correct? --[[User:Shogun|Kitsuno]] 13:00, 31 January 2007 (PST)
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It should be Fumiya.--[[User:Shikisoku|Shikisoku]] 00:55, 25 December 2006 (PST)
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{{:Talk:Taoka Taro}}
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== Shinsengumi Timeline ==
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== New Category ==
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I am going to create a category called Shinsengumi Members, exclusively for the members of the Shinsengumi, while the current "Shinsengumi" category will still be for all members and people and events related to the shinsengumi. This will allow people to check the "Shinsengumi Members" category to see just the members, while the "Shinsengumi" category will be for everyone related, and the related events. So from this point on, be sure to include both <nowiki>[[Category:Shinsengumi]] and [[Category:Shinsengumi Members]] to the biographies of the actual shinsengumi members.</nowiki>  --[[User:Shogun|Kitsuno]] 18:44, 7 January 2007 (PST)
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== Mibu Roshigumi ==
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Should we have a category for members of the Mibu Roshibumi? Were there enough notable members, and/or did they all eventually just become members of the Shinsengumi?  --[[User:Shogun|Kitsuno]] 19:06, 7 January 2007 (PST)
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[[Mibu Roshigumi]]--[[User:Shikisoku|Shikisoku]] 23:06, 7 January 2007 (PST)
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:I mean a seperate category, <nowiki>[[Category:Mibu Roshigumi]]</nowiki>  --[[User:Shogun|Kitsuno]] 23:15, 7 January 2007 (PST)
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I think it's not necessary--[[User:Shikisoku|Shikisoku]] 17:23, 9 January 2007 (PST)
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:Ok, thanks.  --[[User:Shogun|Kitsuno]] 21:25, 9 January 2007 (PST)
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Is the [[Roshigumi]] the same as the [[Mibu Roshigumi]]?  --[[User:Shogun|Kitsuno]] 19:13, 20 January 2007 (PST)
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Some members of [[Roshigumi]] who remained in Kyoto became [[Mibu Roshigumi]]. Most members of the [[Roshigumi]] returned to Edo and became the [[Shinchogumi]].--[[User:Shikisoku|Shikisoku]] 21:24, 25 January 2007 (PST)
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:Ok, I was wondering because I see links to both the Roshigumi and the Mibu Roshigumie. I guess we'll need 2 articles then.  --[[User:Shogun|Kitsuno]] 21:51, 25 January 2007 (PST)
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==Seven==
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*Please cite sources when you rewrite. I noticed you are mixing Lunar calendar and Western calendar. (This wiki takes Lunar calendar.)--[[User:Shikisoku|Shikisoku]] 16:43, 12 January 2007 (PST)
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*''"according to "Shinsengumi Episodes" (by Kojima Masataka), he died during the Satsuma Rebellion in 1877; according to "Shinsengumi Dokuhon~Taishi Gaiden 2", he died from an illness in 1873"'' You can add them on References--[[User:Shikisoku|Shikisoku]] 16:53, 12 January 2007 (PST)
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==Photos==
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* The Okita Soji's photo uploaded from "Shinsengumihq" is not confirmed by any researchers or historians.Shinsengumihq is good English Shinsengumi researching site but can't be a source.--[[User:Shikisoku|Shikisoku]] 01:48, 16 January 2007 (PST)
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* The confirmed photos of the Shinsengumi members are (source)
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**Kondo Isami ([[Shinsengumi Exhibition catalog 2004 ]])
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**Hijikata Toshizo (Hijikata Toshizo Museum [http://www.hijikata-toshizo.jp/ L])
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**Nagakura Shinpachi([[Shinsengumi Exhibition catalog 2004]])
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**Saito Hajime(Saito Hajime/Akama Shizuko [http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E6%96%B0%E9%81%B8%E7%B5%84%E5%89%AF%E9%95%B7%E5%8A%A9%E5%8B%A4-%E6%96%8E%E8%97%A4%E4%B8%80-%E8%B5%A4%E9%96%93-%E5%80%AD%E5%AD%90/dp/4059001341 A])
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**Shinohara Tainoshin([[Shinsengumi Zentaishi Tettei Guide]])
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**Shimada Kai([[Shinsengumi Exhibition catalog 2004]])
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**Suzuki Mikisaburo([[Shinsengumi Zentaishi Tettei Guide]])
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**Nakajima Nobori([[Shinsengumi Exhibition catalog 2004]])
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**Tani Mantaro([[Shinsengumi Zentaishi Tettei Guide]])
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**Abe Juro([[Shinsengumi Zentaishi Tettei Guide]])
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**Inoue Taisuke([[Shinsengumi Zentaishi Tettei Guide]])
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**Kumebe Masachika([[Shinsengumi Zentaishi Tettei Guide]])
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**Tamura Ginnosuke([[Shinsengumi Zentaishi Tettei Guide]])
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**Matsumoto Sutesuke([[Shinsengumi Zentaishi Tettei Guide]])
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**Kano Washio([[Shinsengumi Zentaishi Tettei Guide]])
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**Kondo Yoshisuke([[Shinsengumi Zentaishi Tettei Guide]])
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**Miura Keinosuke([[Shinsengumi Zentaishi Tettei Guide]])
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**Ikeda Shichisaburo([[Shinsengumi Zentaishi Tettei Guide]])
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**Negishi Yuzan([[Shinsengumi Exhibition catalog 2004]])
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**Soma Kazue([[Shinsengumi Exhibition catalog 2004]])
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and who else?
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{{Talk:Ito Kashitaro }}
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I have created a seperate page for the [[Shinsengumi Timeline]], and I used a Wikipedia trick to display that article seamlessly inside the [[Shinsengumi]] article.  For anyone curious, I put this in the article:
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See also http://forums.samurai-archives.com/viewtopic.php?t=1129--[[User:Shikisoku|Shikisoku]] 18:39, 12 January 2007 (PST)
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<nowiki>{{:Shinsengumi Timeline}}</nowiki>
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== Ikedaya floor plan ==
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That puts the text from another article inside the article you are working on.  If you want to add dates or events to the timeline, you can do it either way, you can edit the [[Shinsengumi Timeline]] directly, or you can edit the sections in the [[Shinsengumi]] article, and the changes will also happen in the [[Shinsengumi Timeline]] article. --[[User:Shogun|Kitsuno]] 22:30, 22 December 2006 (PST)
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I've found a link which seems to have very good information about the Ikedaya
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floor plan (it is in Japanese). The link is www.webdiver.com/ikedaya[http://www.webvider.com/ikedaya]. The linkalso maps out the movement of key Shinsengumi members as they fought their way through the place. The only problem I see is that the site is copyrighted so we can't use their images. Anyway, check this site out.
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== Title question ==
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--[[User:Obenjo Kusanosuke|Obenjo Kusanosuke]] 07:01, 19 January 2007 (PST)
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In "血誠新撰組-峻烈壬生浪士忠と斬" is the 血誠 basically just "blood & makoto", or does 血誠 have a meaning?
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:Rikoseishin is using CAD software to create an architectural map of the Ikedaya, so I can pretty much overlay onto that anything I want once he's done - "movements" aren't copyrighted, just that map but I can always notate it.  --[[User:Shogun|Kitsuno]] 09:43, 19 January 2007 (PST)
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What's the latest on this? --[[User:Obenjo Kusanosuke|Obenjo Kusanosuke]] 14:26, 3 May 2007 (PDT)
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I think the word was created for the book title.--[[User:Shikisoku|Shikisoku]] 00:38, 25 December 2006 (PST)
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== Shinsengumi article - Kiyokawa ==
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== Shimada Kai ==
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In the [[shinsengumi]] article it says: "Right after they arrived at Kyoto, Kiyokawa's conspiracy was revealed." - What was the conspiracy? Was Kiyokawa secretly against the Bakufu? I remember reading something about this, but I can't remember exactly what this was about.  --[[User:Shogun|Kitsuno]] 08:20, 31 January 2007 (PST)
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Shimada Kai's father's name was Kondo Iemon - was Shimada Kai's original name Kondo Kai, or was "Kai" also a name he assumed later?  --[[User:Shogun|Kitsuno]] 21:07, 24 December 2006 (PST)
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The Roshigumi supposed to be the guards of Shogun but Kiyokawa tried to change them to Sonno Joi troop.--[[User:Shikisoku|Shikisoku]] 04:45, 1 February 2007 (PST)
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He was adopted to Shimada Sai of Ogaki han so original name might be Kondo Kai. But I do not have any confirmed source.--[[User:Shikisoku|Shikisoku]] 00:46, 25 December 2006 (PST).
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== [[Roshigumi]] Article ==
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:In Romulus Hillsborough's new book on the Shinsengumi, it says that "he studied the Shinkeitou style in Edo" - did he just get it wrong, or did Kai study that style as well? --[[User:Shogun|Kitsuno]] 01:14, 25 December 2006 (PST)
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The new article looks good - I think it needs to get one final reorganization - it seems to end where it starts, sort of circular (probably because of the leftovers from the original).  Also needs to be broken up in to sub-sections for ease of use (Maybe "Background", "organization", "First assignment" etc.- I'm just throwing out random ideas), and I think adding in the list of members would give it the final fill out.  --[[User:Shogun|Kitsuno]] 12:58, 31 January 2007 (PST)
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心形刀流 Just different reading.--[[User:Shikisoku|Shikisoku]] 01:40, 25 December 2006 (PST)
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I think Obenjo-san cared about me. You can modify the leftovers of original article to fit. Or delete it. But I think it should mention [[Kiyokawa Hachiro]].--[[User:Shikisoku|Shikisoku]] 04:48, 1 February 2007 (PST)
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== Takeda Kanryusai ==
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==References==
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Obenjo, "Bigman Special Kaitei Shinban Shinsengumi. Seikaibunka-sha, 2003 " is it same as [[Kaiteishinban Shinsengumi]]?--[[User:Shikisoku|Shikisoku]] 23:10, 2 May 2007 (PDT)
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In Kanryusai's article, it says that he was killed by Saito Hajime, but there is a (?) after that - does it mean that it is unknown if he really did kill him?  Also, was Kato Higuma forced to commit seppuku directly because of Kanryusai?  --[[User:Shogun|Kitsuno]] 23:55, 24 December 2006 (PST)
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Shiki, I think they are indeed the same. Yellow cover with portraits of Kondo and Hijikata on the cover, right?--[[User:Obenjo Kusanosuke|Obenjo Kusanosuke]] 14:23, 3 May 2007 (PDT)
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Generally speaking, the assassin of Takeda Kanryusai was Saito but some researchers deny. As for Kato's seppuku, that is what generally believed but some researchers deny.--[[User:Shikisoku|Shikisoku]] 00:54, 25 December 2006 (PST)
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==Mibugumi==
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Should [[Mibugumi]] be redirected to [[Mibu Roshigumi]]?--[[User:Shikisoku|Shikisoku]] 05:16, 13 May 2007 (PDT)
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