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Note: I've changed the Talk page so that we more clearly delineate the various topics and it uses a more common format. --[[User:JLBadgley|JLBadgley]] 16:10, 27 November 2007 (PST)
==Standardization of names==
Why is no one listed with the "no" that is generally seen as standard in names of this period? e.g. Minamoto no Tokiwa, Fujiwara no Kamatari, Sugawara no Michizane. --[[User:LordAmeth|LordAmeth]] 18:09, 26 November 2007 (PST)
:Frankly, I didn't use "no" because the primary source that I'm currently referencing isn't using it. We should clarify whether it should be used or not. Of course, my primary source(s) contains 'interpretations' of Japanese scholarly essays, so how the interpreter chose to translate (e.g. I sometimes see 'Nobuko' and sometimes see 'Junshi' depending on where it is) has a lot to do with it. Also, I'm fuzzy on when to and not to use 'no'. We could use it for everyone pre-Kamakura, but since it is usually added in as an afterthought anyways, I don't know where we'd stop. Most Japanese texts I've seen have 'Sugawara Michizane' in kanji and gloss it with furigana as 'Sugawara no Michizane'. --[[User:JLBadgley|JLBadgley]] 04:58, 27 November 2007 (PST)
::I've been thinking about it--I think there was something in the forums about this a while back, but the main article probably should not have 'no' in it. That way, we can be standardized across the board. The 'no' can be a separate redirect if it is used enough, but I think we should probably leave it out unless there is a really good reason to use it. To look at it another way--if someone sees a name in Japanese and doesn't know anything about it, they will look it up without the 'no'. It is easy enough for someone with a 'no' name to simply delete it out on their search. --[[User:JLBadgley|JLBadgley]] 16:10, 27 November 2007 (PST)
==Ako Affair==
You mention the Ako Affair, which I have always seen as referring to the Chushingura (the 47 Ronin story) - Google "Ako Affair" and you'll see. Was this Fujiwara-related event also called the Ako affair, or is there a mixup somewhere? --[[User:LordAmeth|LordAmeth]] 18:09, 26 November 2007 (PST)
:The Ako affair is a separate one. In this case 'Ako' means 'Superior Counselor' or something similar (I need to look it up to see exactly what). It is the title that was suggested for Mototsune by another official to answer his complaint, but Mototsune really wanted the 'Kanpaku' (And should that be 'Kampaku'?) --[[User:JLBadgley|JLBadgley]] 04:58, 27 November 2007 (PST)
::I changed it to the 'Ako Incident' and explained it a bit. Still 'incident' and 'affair' are close enough to need a disambig if we ever link 'Ako Incident' to something (imho). I guess the question is whether it is important enough to write an article on--I'd say it is rather minor considering everything else we should get done (we do have the entire history of Japan to cover up until modern times). --[[User:JLBadgley|JLBadgley]] 16:10, 27 November 2007 (PST)
==Standardization of Titles==
Should we stick to using terms such as "Prime Minister" which are only rough translations, or should we call the offices by their actual names? --[[User:LordAmeth|LordAmeth]] 18:09, 26 November 2007 (PST)
:I would also like clarification on using terms such as 'Prime Minister' vice 'Dajodaijin'. In this case, I think it is apt--Dajodaijin is the prime minister, in that he is the first of the ministers of state. The next three are the Sadaijin, Udaijin, and the rarely seen Chudaijin (I think that is it... I don't have all my books with me to look it up). I've been using the articles I have as a guide (though I've been foregoing their tendency to use 'Great King' instead of 'Emperor' (or they will use 'Tenno' by itself). Also, they occassionally use titles for a person who has the de facto powers but isn't actually in that postion. --[[User:JLBadgley|JLBadgley]] 04:58, 27 November 2007 (PST)
::If possible, it would be best to use the Japanese terms, though, since those could be linked to descriptive articles themselves. --[[User:Shogun|Kitsuno]] 12:06, 27 November 2007 (PST)
::If possible, it would be best to use the Japanese terms, though, since those could be linked to descriptive articles themselves. --[[User:Shogun|Kitsuno]] 12:06, 27 November 2007 (PST)
:::Should we capitalize titles? Also, should we try to include it in the Japanese name (e.g. Fujiwara no Udaijin Fuyutsugu) or should we just leave it as 'the Udaijin, Fujiwara Fuyutsugu'? Or does it really matter? Frankly, I find the latter easier to deal with when linking because you can link the name without something in the middle of it.
:I appreciate it. I should note that this was mostly born of two hours of boredom due to my being jet lagged and unable to sleep at 4am (Actually, it started around 3am, but at 4am I finally gave up trying). I figured that this was a good place to start--I really just want to get more of the Fujiwara and Heian figures in the Biography section, but figured the Fujiwara family was something that needed definition. I hope others can add to it. -[[User:JLBadgley|JLBadgley]] 04:58, 27 November 2007 (PST)
