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::That should work out fine. I have unknowledgeable friends read over my papers as a first proofread to take care of any basic comprehension problems. [[User:Msr.iaidoka|Msr.iaidoka]] 02:12, 25 November 2006 (EST)
::That should work out fine. I have unknowledgeable friends read over my papers as a first proofread to take care of any basic comprehension problems. [[User:Msr.iaidoka|Msr.iaidoka]] 02:12, 25 November 2006 (EST)
:I added a brief 'history' section, based off of Karl Friday's "Legacies of the Sword". I tried to keep it broad, not related to the actual founding of any given school, but talking about kenjutsu and schools in general. I am curious, however, whether or not we need the -do and -jutsu debate in that article (not sure where else we should put it--maybe a generic 'bujutsu' article?), but that can get fairly contentious. Also, I disagree with the way kenjutsu and battojutsu are specifically called out. Kenjutsu is technically ''all'' sword techniques. ''Battojutsu'' and ''iaijutsu'' are, strictly speaking, subsets of ''kenjutsu''. I usually liken it to the way a square is a rectangle but a rectangle is not necessarily a square. My preference would be to describe battojutsu and iaijutsu as a separate articles. Thoughts? [[User:JLBadgley|JLBadgley]] 06:58, 25 May 2007 (PDT)
== [[Yagyu Shingan Ryu]] ==
== [[Yagyu Shingan Ryu]] ==
As for ''Takahisa Masabito Kanetsugu'' , I thought that could be mistranslation of
As for ''Takahisa Masabito Kanetsugu'' , I thought that could be mistranslation of
Takenaga Hayato. Japanese never read 竹永隼人(Takenaga Hayato) Takehisa Masabito though.--[[User:Shikisoku|Shikisoku]] 00:44, 1 December 2006 (PST)
Takenaga Hayato. Japanese never read 竹永隼人(Takenaga Hayato) Takehisa Masabito though.--[[User:Shikisoku|Shikisoku]] 00:44, 1 December 2006 (PST)
I have deleted Obito since there is no source.--[[User:Shikisoku|Shikisoku]] 06:58, 7 January 2007 (PST)
Sure. Clean it up as you see fit. [[User:Baian|Baian]] 14:02, 01/17/07 (EST)
== Title of Lineage Chart ==
== Title of Lineage Chart ==
I will wait till I go home, it will only be two weeks. Shikosku, how do you feel as to the naming of the linage heads? The reason I am asking you is because you were the one to put the current one up. Again I feel that something else should be instituted so as to not convey, even if by mistake, a sense of lacking.
I will wait till I go home, it will only be two weeks. Shikosku, how do you feel as to the naming of the linage heads? The reason I am asking you is because you were the one to put the current one up. Again I feel that something else should be instituted so as to not convey, even if by mistake, a sense of lacking.
Do the linage heads mean the names of masters or Ryuha genealogy chart?
Do the linage heads mean the names of masters or Ryuha genealogy chart?
:Well I have apparently been handed the reins for this by Shikisoku, so I think that Successors is the best way to go with this, for the moment anyway. Any objections? [[User:Rikoseishin|Rikoseishin]]
:Well I have apparently been handed the reins for this by Shikisoku, so I think that Successors is the best way to go with this, for the moment anyway. Any objections? [[User:Rikoseishin|Rikoseishin]]
::I've been trying to update things--I hope people will correct them if they don't like the format. I've been using 'Lineage' as a section. I just tried something with [[Asayama Ichiden Ryu]] and I'm interested in how that works for people. A lot of these names are just people who received 'kaiden', or were at least listed as a previous instructor's teacher. I've tried to put it down in a text format as best I can--if anyone has time to do a nice chart like I have seen on some of the others, that would be great, but I'm just trying to get the information in there right now.
::When I'm doing that, though, what do people think about names? Many of the lineage charts I have show kanji with no furigana. This is fine for a majority of names, but when it comes to some where there could be 3 or 4 pronunciations I try to take the one that seems most common. Still, since I don't have an authoritative source on the name, I figure it would be best to add the kanji as well, so that others can make their own determination. I've been doing it as footnotes, but it was suggested to me recently that I put it right there in the main body of the article. Thoughts? --[[User:JLBadgley|JLBadgley]] 17:48, 27 May 2007 (PDT)
== Shinsen Bujutsu Ryusoroku ==
== Shinsen Bujutsu Ryusoroku ==
This book looks like a good source - what exactly does it cover? I think the entry ([[Shinsen Bujutsu Ryusoroku]]) should probably be expanded, maybe a list of the Ryu it covers, etc. --[[User:Shogun|Kitsuno]] 22:35, 4 December 2006 (PST)
This book looks like a good source - what exactly does it cover? I think the entry ([[Shinsen Bujutsu Ryusoroku]]) should probably be expanded, maybe a list of the Ryu it covers, etc. --[[User:Shogun|Kitsuno]] 22:35, 4 December 2006 (PST)
The book can be found only in some university liberalies or
famous secondhand bookstores.
The price is around $200.--[[User:Shikisoku|Shikisoku]] 17:42, 12 December 2006 (PST)
== Categorizing bujutsu founders ==
Should we also put the founders of bujutsu styles into the [[:Category:Bujutsu|Bujutsu Category]]? I sort of think we should. --[[User:Shogun|Kitsuno]] 17:28, 10 December 2006 (PST)
Is it possible to put them in both the [[:Category:Bujutsu|Bujutsu Category]] and the [[:Category:Samurai|Samurai Category]]?
Someone like Yagyu Munenori (although not a founder, but an important figure nonetheless), had both a role in the development of Yaguy Shinkage Ryu and a role during Sekigahara (as a messenger). Although founders and swordsmen, they are still considered Samurai. The only exception could be Takeda Sokaku.
Would it take more space on the wiki to do it that way?
--[[User:Baian|Baian]] 13:53, 12/12/06 (EST)
:If they are Samurai, of course. --[[User:Shogun|Kitsuno]] 13:15, 13 December 2006 (PST)
== Images ==
What sort of images should be added, if any, to the ryuha articles? I'm not inclined to allow "school" banners/badges to be displayed, since there are too many, I'd either want them all or none. What does everyone think? --[[User:Shogun|Kitsuno]] 13:14, 13 December 2006 (PST)
The problem with ryu-ha nowadays, is that there's too many braches. If we put an image of someone in kamae from that school or such, we run the risk of getting complains (ex:'that guy isn't practicing the real thing! blablablah').
If we can get a photo of a painting or of the statue of a founder, then cool I say.
The best thing we could honestly do (if available), is put pictures/images of densho/makimono related to the ryu-ha.
--[[User:Baian|Baian]] 18:36, 12/13/06 (EST)
:Agreed. Statues would be best - I know I don't have any pics like that. --[[User:Shogun|Kitsuno]] 16:24, 13 December 2006 (PST)
== Aisu Hisatada ==
My Japanese biography of [[Aisu Hisatada]] has his other name as 移香 (Ikô), but the [[Aisu-Kage Ryu]] article has it is as 移香斎 (Ikôsai) - what is the difference? Is there a difference? --[[User:Shogun|Kitsuno]] 21:27, 14 December 2006 (PST)
"sai" is 斎号. --[[User:Shikisoku|Shikisoku]] 06:53, 7 January 2007 (PST)
== Jujutsu article ==
Needs to be cleaned up. Any volunteers please? --[[User:Shogun|Kitsuno]] 22:17, 22 December 2006 (PST)
I've no problem with doing it. I'll also correct a few stuff. But can it wait after the holidays?
--[[User:Baian|Baian]] 19:23, 12/23/06 (EST)
:Sure, whenever you get the chance. --[[User:Shogun|Kitsuno]] 17:58, 23 December 2006 (PST)
::The [[Naginatajutsu]] article also needs to be edited, and needs sources as well.
Which user is creating those? Wasn't he advise that we always need sources?
--[[User:Baian|Baian]] 19:52, 01/06/07 (EST)
:it was apparently a one-time thing - one made the jujutsu article, one made the other one. Try to fix them up, add to them, and add sources, or just blank them and start over if they are unsalvageable. Whatever has to be done. --[[User:Shogun|Kitsuno]] 17:02, 6 January 2007 (PST)
I started editing it. It's still in progress, so I'll add more info, concrete explanation and some kanji in the following days.
:Great, thanks! --[[User:Shogun|Kitsuno]] 19:47, 17 January 2007 (PST)
Sorry for the long wait concerning the kanji. It's done now. Tell me if you think we need more info on it.
--[[User:Baian|Baian]] 14:54, 25 February (EST)
==What Ryu is this?==
直新陰流 - is this different from regular [[Shin-Kage Ryu]]? --[[User:Shogun|Kitsuno]] 22:17, 22 December 2006 (PST)
They are different.--[[User:Shikisoku|Shikisoku]] 06:54, 7 January 2007 (PST)
{{:Talk:Kenjutsu}}
== Bujutsu "errors"? ==
Check this thread on the forum for details:
http://forums.samurai-archives.com/viewtopic.php?t=1292
--[[User:Shogun|Kitsuno]] 14:31, 5 February 2007 (PST)
{{:Talk:Shinto Munen Ryu}}
== Bojutsu ==
I was wondering if it wasn't better to put Bojutsu, Jojutsu and Hanbojutsu all on the same page. Although the techniques differ because of their difference in lengths, their origin is tightly linked together, if not the same.
--[[User:Baian|Baian]] 15:12, 25 February, (EST)
:I would think we would want ''Jojutsu'' separate. Don't have enough familiarity with ''Hanbojutsu'' to understand its difference with ''Bojutsu''. I think that there is probably enough information to break it out. If not, I'd at least have a separate section on it.<BR>--[[User:JLBadgley|JLBadgley]] 21:48, 25 May 2007 (PDT)
== Naginatajutsu ==
Hello all. I'm somewhat new to the wiki format (I know it has been around for a while, but I've never had the interest and time until I found S-A), so please let me know if I make any mistakes in editing pages. Anyway, I've updated naginatajutsu--I hope I did it right. I'm going to see what other sources I can find--unfortunately, my copy of ''Heike Monogatari'' is out on loan, though Bennett quotes it in several places. I'll see what else I can dig up, but that said, how should we attribute? I'm tempted to just use (Bennett 2005), but if people prefer I can do it all through footnotes or something similar. [[User:JLBadgley|JLBadgley]] 20:55, 24 May 2007 (PDT)
:I think just putting it in the sources is fine - if you could find a quote as an example from the Heike Monogatari, it might be an interesting addition. Instead of in-line citations, we've been doing footnotes. I'll format that when I get a chance, it's pretty simple. The article looks good. Most of the bujutsu articles are pretty short, so it's good to get a more detailed one in there. Feel free to add to whichever articles you see fit. Thanks for the help! --[[User:Shogun|Kitsuno]] 00:08, 25 May 2007 (PDT)
::Okay. I put the references into footnotes. It actually is much easier. I'll try to add some meat to a few more. [[User:JLBadgley|JLBadgley]] 06:51, 25 May 2007 (PDT)
:::No need to go too far with the footnotes - what we've generally been doing in the past with footnotes is using them to point out contrary info (If 2 sources say two different things, we put the most "common" or "accepted" facts into the article, and footnote that info with an explanation of contrary info), or to clarify info in the article - we haven't been citing information with sources via footnotes (in other words, unlike a college paper where you cite every sentence or paragraph with the source, we've mainly been leaving it to be understood that any information in the article can be verified with the books listed in the "references" section) - it keeps the number of footnotes down. --[[User:Shogun|Kitsuno]] 18:41, 27 May 2007 (PDT)
== Kusari-gama-jutsu ==
I added an article on 'kusarigamajutsu'. I left it together as that seemed more consistent with the 'kenjutsu' and 'naginatajutsu' pages, but I put a redirect from kusari-gama-jutsu to make sure both were covered. If someone would rather put the main article under 'kusari-gama-jutsu', go right ahead--there are links out there to 'kusarigamajutsu', though, so we should probably go change those, too, to keep it consistent.
--[[User:JLBadgley|JLBadgley]] 21:45, 25 May 2007 (PDT)
:I think you're right, it is more consistent to put it together. The redirects are mainly for guesses for what you think people would type in a the search box anyway other than the actual title of the article.
==Lineage or Successors?==
Which word should I use?--[[User:Shikisoku|Shikisoku]] 03:24, 19 March 2008 (PDT)
