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--[[User:Shogun|Kitsuno]] 10:08, 11 January 2007 (PST)
--[[User:Shogun|Kitsuno]] 10:08, 11 January 2007 (PST)
== Yamato period tribes/clans ==
Heya. I've actually been reading some stuff about the Yamato period in my Japanese class lately. Pretty interesting stuff, though it's fairly superficial and mostly covers stuff I already knew about.
In any case, I was wondering what your take might be on what to call various groups from this period. I suppose "clan" is probably easiest, as it matches up with later terms such as the Fujiwara, Minamoto, and Taira clans. But as the earliest period has various social structures I don't fully understand (e.g. the "be" as in Mononobe and Imibe, and the "tomo"), and as within the context of (a) immigrant groups from the mainland and (b) disparate chiefdoms or whatever the word might be within or outside of the Yamato state, terms such as "tribe" or something else might be more appropriate, I'm a bit at a loss.
What do you think? What have you seen or heard in your various academic adventures?
I'm thinking specifically of the Hata (秦), a major immigrant group from way way back. I don't think they're a kuge or bushi clan, nor are they a "be", so, is the word "tribe", or something else, more appropriate?
I feel we may have had this conversation on Wikipedia before, but just to be sure, I figure it can't hurt to ask again. Thanks much. [[User:LordAmeth|LordAmeth]] 05:57, 23 January 2008 (PST)