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Ogata Shuntaro

In this article, it says: He was missing during the Battle of Aizu. - Is there a story behind this? Does this mean he disappeared during the battle, and was presumed killed? --Kitsuno 21:16, 22 December 2006 (PST)

Some source says he just ran away from Shinsengumi, some source says it was "Missing in Action". Any way he disappeared after the battle of bonari pass and nobody knows after that.--Shikisoku 00:36, 25 December 2006 (PST)

Ishii Yujiro

Ishii Yujirou's father is listed as 石井文弥 - How do you read his name? "Aya", "Bun'ya", "Fumiya"?

It should be Fumiya.--Shikisoku 00:55, 25 December 2006 (PST)

Title question

In "血誠新撰組-峻烈壬生浪士忠と斬" is the 血誠 basically just "blood & makoto", or does 血誠 have a meaning?

I think the word was created for the book title.--Shikisoku 00:38, 25 December 2006 (PST)

Shimada Kai

Shimada Kai's father's name was Kondo Iemon - was Shimada Kai's original name Kondo Kai, or was "Kai" also a name he assumed later? --Kitsuno 21:07, 24 December 2006 (PST)

He was adopted to Shimada Sai of Ogaki han so original name might be Kondo Kai. But I do not have any confirmed source.--Shikisoku 00:46, 25 December 2006 (PST).

In Romulus Hillsborough's new book on the Shinsengumi, it says that "he studied the Shinkeitou style in Edo" - did he just get it wrong, or did Kai study that style as well? --Kitsuno 01:14, 25 December 2006 (PST)

心形刀流 Just different reading.--Shikisoku 01:40, 25 December 2006 (PST)

Looks like he just made a mistake. --Kitsuno 09:33, 25 December 2006 (PST)

Takeda Kanryusai

In Kanryusai's article, it says that he was killed by Saito Hajime, but there is a (?) after that - does it mean that it is unknown if he really did kill him? Also, was Kato Higuma forced to commit seppuku directly because of Kanryusai? --Kitsuno 23:55, 24 December 2006 (PST)

Generally speaking, the assassin of Takeda Kanryusai was Saito but some researchers deny. As for Kato's seppuku, that is what generally believed but some researchers deny.--Shikisoku 00:54, 25 December 2006 (PST)

Todo Heisuke

I'm not sure exactly what this means: he recruited Ito Kashitaro group in Edo. Can you explain? Thanks --Kitsuno 20:39, 25 December 2006 (PST)

Todo went to Edo to recruit new members. Todo and Ito knew each other. Todo asked Ito to join the Shinsengumi, Ito agreed to join with his pupils.--Shikisoku 04:28, 26 December 2006 (PST)

Kiyohara Kiyoshi

Kiyohara Kiyoshi's other name was 武川 直枝 - Takegawa Naoe or Sugue? Or is it something else? --Kitsuno 10:27, 25 December 2006 (PST)

Naoe--Shikisoku 04:31, 26 December 2006 (PST)

Ibaraki Tsukasa

The book 血誠新撰組-峻烈壬生浪士忠と斬 says that when Ibaraki tried to leave the Shinsengumi he was killed (新撰組の大石鍬次郎らに斬殺された). But it goes on to say that his grave states that he committed suicide. What do your books say about this? I wonder if it isn't really known exactly how he died? --Kitsuno 21:55, 26 December 2006 (PST)

Generally it is believed that Ibaraki,Sano,Tomikawa,Nakamura, those 4 members committed Seppuku together in the Aizu han residence.

But some sources say they were killed by several Shinsengumi members include Oishi. --Shikisoku 06:12, 27 December 2006 (PST)


What exactly does 幕府召し抱え refer to? were 召し抱え (mercenaries) different troops from the Shinsengumi? A biography for Shibayama Tokusaburou says: 1867/6/10 の幕府召し抱えで平士に名を連ねている。What exactly does this mean? --Kitsuno 21:11, 29 December 2006 (PST)

Shinsengumi were basically Ronin troop until Bakufu officialy gave them positions in 1867/6/10(Please check the Shinsengumi Chronology).--Shikisoku 05:25, 30 December 2006 (PST)

To do list:Biographies Stubs

I think there is no more informations for the listed members.--Shikisoku 22:47, 24 January 2007 (PST)

I'll check my books - I might be able to find some small amount for the empty ones. --Kitsuno 00:36, 25 January 2007 (PST)

I just found out that you have been adding more members. I am going to list them on Shinsengumi page.--Shikisoku 04:37, 25 January 2007 (PST)

Kano Michinosuke

Kano Michinosuke is Kano Washio.--Shikisoku 03:41, 25 January 2007 (PST)

oops, I'll combine them. --Kitsuno 09:54, 25 January 2007 (PST)

Dappan 脱藩

How should I translate 脱藩 in English?--Shikisoku 16:56, 7 January 2007 (PST)

Doesn't it mean "to become a Ronin"? (or at least to "desert/flee" your han)? I believe the indication is that they would be leaving the service of thier lord without permission? --Kitsuno 17:28, 7 January 2007 (PST)